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Appendix 14. “Illuminati Infiltration of Christianity:” Edited Transcription of 2014 Springmeier/Alberino Interview (with Editor’s Comments)

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Part VIII: Cult Connections

February 19, 2024

Transcribed and edited by Dr. Eric T. Karlstrom, October 6, 2015

(ETK note: This interview between Fritz Springmeier and Timothy Alberino can be viewed on youtube online and at Springmeier’s website, It contains information that I believe is critical to understanding the methodologies by which the Illuminati (which I have previously identified as a principally Jewish/Masonic/Satanic movement) is trying to destroy Christianity, their principle foe on earth. The interview may provide a relatively simple explanation for one of the chief functions of Crestone/Baca, Colorado within the Illuminati system. In the interview, Alberino summarizes the three-fold strategy the Illuminati is using to destroy Christianity: 1) infiltration of Christian churches and corruption of Christian doctrine, 2) ecumenism/unification of Christian denominations under Catholicism, and 3) the inter-faith movement, whereby all religions are merged into a Luciferian New World Religion. This third phase aptly describes what is taking place in my home town of Crestone/Baca, Colorado today. The following paragraph, modified from one of Alberino’s comments, functions as the Abstract for the interview, which, in turn, comprises Appendix 14 of my extended series; “Is Crestone/Baca the “Vatican City” of the New World Order?: An Expose of the New World Religion.”


The Luciferian infiltration of Protestant Churches has been going on for at least 100 years. It has been strategic and purposeful. Today, we have a bastardized version of scripture. Phase 1 of the strategy is to gradually break down the backbone of Christianity, by infiltrating the church with New Age, Masonic, and Jewish beliefs, creating bogus new Bible translations, and gradually altering key Christian doctrines. This first step of infiltration and bastardization of the gospel has already been accomplished. In Phase 2, which is now ongoing, a universal movement (“for the harvesting of souls”) is organized in which the Protestant denominations “unite” under the umbrella of the Catholic Church. This ecumenical movement to amalgamate all denominations into the Catholic Church is led by the Pope. (ETK note: For example, the Pope’s recently delivered messages to the U.S. Congress, in which he assumes the role of world religious leader and condemns all religious fundamentalism, etc.). Phase 3 is the merging of all religions into a universal faith that unites all religions. This “inter-faith” movement is today being spearheaded in Crestone/Baca, Colorado, as per the recent movie, “The Flame: Finding Gold in Crestone, Colorado.” Again, nominally, the reorganization of all religions into a One World/New World Religion is to occur within the universal church, Catholicism. However, pagan Judaism, as codified in the Talmud and Kabbalah, has now re-captured Catholicism (See E. Hendrie, “Solving the Mystery of Babylon the Great: Tracking the Beast from the Synagogue to the Vatican” (2012), and “Antichrist: The Beast Revealed” (2015)). Hence, this one world religion will actually be the reinstitution of the primal, original religion, which is the worship of the Dragon, the serpent, Satan. People forget that part of the Luciferian plan is to bring this planet to such a state of darkness and chaos, hunger, etc., that people will clamor for peace and safety. The one who brings order to the planet, their chosen “antichrist,” will then be worshipped. The architects of the collapse will then bring in their savior, who will reinstitute Luciferianism as the world religion.

(ETK: Fritz Springmeier has written several books, including “Be Wise As Serpents” (2007) and “Bloodlines of the Illuminati” (2007). His website is Timothy Alberino is another researcher who investigates seemingly paranormal/esoteric phenomena from a Christian perspective. My editorial comments are marked (ETK note:).


A. (Alberino) What is the Illuminati? What is their prime objective?

S. (Springmeier) The Illuminati are the powerful bloodlines that have controlled the globe. They go back to Mesopotamia and ancient Egypt and they have quietly persisted throughout the centuries. You can trace some of their genealogies, some of their genealogies are hidden. In my bloodlines of the Illuminati I show that some of these genealogies go way back. Some people call them the “powers that be” but they are not the entire structure that is controlling things. They are the string pullers. They have their own religion, which is Gnosticism. They are generational. If you are born into an Illuminati family, you may or may not become a member or a hierarchy member. My experience with victims indicates that these are generational Satanic families.

(ETK note: Texe Marrs, a Christian researcher and author of many books on the New Age Movement, commonly refers to the “Jewish Illuminati.” In “Bloody Zion: Refuting the Jewish Fables That Sustain Israel’s War Against God and Man” (2012), Edwawrd Hendrie states succinctly that “The Illuminati is a powerful Jewish secret society.” Springmeier often disregards and/or downplays this connection. Even so, Springmeier does a reasonable job here of describing the (Satanic) “world system.”)

A. What is the modus operandi of the Illuminati? How do they normally infiltrate an organization?

S. It’s more than just infiltration. The reality is that they have constructed and created our world systems, including our education, pharmaceutical, medical/health, and market systems. It’s not that they have infiltrated and hi-jacked these systems. They created them. Regarding the apostasy in the churches, if we look at all these religious groups, Jehovah’s Witnesses, the LDS Mormons, the primitive Methodists, the Adventists, Moravians, and other Christian groups and denominations, you’ll see that Freemasons, many of which connect back to the Illuminati, created these organizations. For example, Joseph Smith Jr. was of the Illuminati bloodline and all the LDS church prophets are of the same bloodline. Charles Taze Russell, who started the Watchtower Society of the Jehovah’s Witnesses, was of the Russell Illuminati bloodlines.

(ETK note: To say that the the Illuminati created our systems may be an overstatement. In his five books on the New Age Movement, Texe Marrs documents that individual Jews and Jewish groups have created and funded essentially all New Age cults.)

A. Ecumenism and the Inter-faith movements are both Illuminati movements. The two entwine and are happening today, simultaneously. Ecumenism seeks to meld all the Christian denominations together under the umbrella of the Catholic Church. The Inter-Faith movement seeks to amalgamate all the religions of the world under one banner, the New World Religion. As you know, the Illuminati are seeking not only a one-world political structure, but also a one-world religious structure. For years, they have been funding efforts and Protestant church movements in this direction to produce this One World Religion. Is that correct?

S. Yes. The Illuminati have had on their agenda the creation of a One-World Religion. J.P. Morgan, after he became an Illuminati member in the late 1800’s, started supporting an ecumenical movement to unite all the Christian churches. Under his direction and funding, they created the FCCC, the Federal Council of Christian Churches. The leaders of the FCCC were Freemasons. Charles Taze Russell, founder of Jehovah’s Witnesses, was one the first people that supported Morgan’s efforts. But the Watchtower Society itself never joined the FCCC. The FCCC transformed itself into the National Council of Churches. Notice that they dropped the word, Christ. Again, the leadership of the NCC was Freemasonic. So if the Illuminati is the “hidden hand” that is controlling things, Freemasonry is like the “glove” on that hidden hand.

Again, we see high-level Freemasons, like Brumley, a 33rd degree Freemason, as leaders of the FCCC and the NCC. Brumley became the first President of the World Council of Churches. After we got the National Council of Churches, the next step was to create the World Council of Churches (WCC). In 1982, in Sweden, the WCC pledged to actively support a one-world government and a one-world religion. Billy Graham has been very active in the World Council of Churches since the late 1950’s. At the 1961 WCC meeting at New Delhi, Graham became the leading world advocate for ecumenicalism (sic, ecumenism). He himself is a 33rd degree Mason. The book, “The Clergy and the Craft,” by Rev. Haggard, a Freemason, quotes Billy Graham and many other Freemasons.

Three very powerful 33rd degree Freemasons who have been very active in the World Council of Churches and have promoted the Ecumenical movement are Norman Vincent Peale, Robert Schuler, and Billy Graham. Who are the leaders of the WCC? These are apostates, high-ranking Freemasons, Illuminati, communists, and other groups that are diametrically opposed to Christ. This convergence of Christian religions needs to include the Catholic Church. Graham is very active within the Catholic Church. When he went to Poland for his Crusade, he sent the people who came forward to the Catholic Church. This is what Ecumenicalism (sic) is all about, the merging of all these churches. Peoples need to ask why the Reformation occurred? What were the issues that caused the Reformation? These issues are now being ignored by the ecumenical movement.

I recently came out with a list of 200 high-level Vatican officials who are Freemasons. I came out with their secret Masonic names. The Protestants don’t look any better when it comes to identifying ministers who are Freemasons. In my “Be Wise as Serpents” book, I give names. In the Southern Baptist denomination, the largest Protestant denomination, 65% of their ministers are Freemasons. The Episcopalian Church is really just a heretic branch of the Catholic Church. This is also called the Anglican Church or the Church of England. Typically, the head of the Episcopalian Church is a Freemason. Freemasonry has members throughout Christendom.

(ETK note: Texe Marrs’ books, articles, and programs indicate that Freemasonry is one of the largest of innumerable Satanic cults that function as “gentile fronts” for Judaism. Jews and top-level Freemasons, often the same individuals, admit that the basis of Freemasonry is the Jewish Kabbalah.

“The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion” (Protocol 15) states: “Meanwhile, until we come into our kingdom, we shall act in the contrary way: we shall create and multiply free Masonic lodges in all the countries of the world, absorb into them all who may become or who are prominent in public activity, for in these lodges we shall find our principal intelligence office and means of influence. All these lodges we shall bring under one central administration, known to us alone and to all others absolutely unknown, which will be composed of our learned elders… In these lodges we shall tie together the knot that shall bind all revolutionary and liberal elements.” I am persuaded that the Protocols are genuine and do in fact articulate a Satanic plan which has been and is being implemented by the Jewish Illuminati.)

A. In the past, the Vatican at least feigned to be at war with the Masons. The Jesuits were the adversaries of the Masons for a time. But now I understand that there may have been a Masonic or Illuminati takeover or infiltration of the Vatican that changed all that. What is the relationship today between the Catholic Church and Freemasonry/Illuminati?

S. Good question. Typically, over the last few centuries, people have been told that there is a huge war between the Catholic Church and Freemasonry. Going back to an earlier question you asked; How do the Illuminati operate? One of the major tactics of the Illuminati is to use controlled conflict, via the Hegelian dialectics. They create a thesis, an antithesis and a synthesis. So the whole thing between Freemasonry and the Catholic Church, or going back before that, to Knights Templars and the Catholic Church, is really a controlled conflict. One of the things I did in my “Be Wise As Serpents” book, was I looked at the powerful families, such as the Medicis, Solfe, Visconte, that have controlled the Catholic Church from behind the scenes. Their family members have become Popes. (Spanish crypto-Jew) Ignatius Loyola created the Jesuits (the Order of Jesus) as well as the Order of Illuminati (Alumbrados). The (Jesuits) were initially called the Illuminati. In 1773, the Pope at that time decided the Jesuits had gotten out of control, and were trying to take over and they weren’t really acting in the interests of the Catholic Church. So the Pope outlawed the Order of Jesuits. How did the Jesuits survive? The head of Freemasonry at that time was Frederich the Great and he’s the one who introduced the Scottish Rite into America in Charleston, South Carolina. This man, the head of Freemasonry, saved the Jesuit Order by giving them asylum from the Pope, who had outlawed them. So nothing is as it seems. We have a controlled conflict. And behind the surface, both Freemasonry and the Catholic Church are controlled by the Illuminati. The Illuminati send out instructions to the Pope as well as to Protestantism through the United Grand Lodge in London. I know that as a fact. It’s been a controlled conflict.

There are many ways you can start seeing the reality behind the smokescreen. You can purchase Freemasonic and Catholic Knights of Columbus fraternal rings from the same outlet. In 1967, on George Washington’s birthday, representatives from the Catholic Church (Knights of Columbus) high-level Freemasons had a meeting to decide how they could collaborate better together to work on a similar agenda. Sure, there’s been a war, but it’s been a controlled conflict. I have a 1919 Scottish Rite Freemasonic magazine, “The New Age” magazine, that states that Freemasonry is a world power and they need to use this power to create a one-world government and one-world religion. They state that the other major world power is the Catholic Church and that they need to overcome that power.

(ETK note: Another way that the Jesuits, perhaps, were “saved” is that in 1776, Jew, Satanist, and former Jesuit professor, Adam Weishaupt, reformed and reorganized the Illuminati along the lines of the Jesuit Order. Thus was born the “Bavarian Illuminati.” At the Congress of Wilhelmsbad in 1782, the Bavarian Illuminati took over (i.e., “illuminized”) Freemasonry by commandeering the highest degrees of Freemasonry, which are today known as the “Jewish degrees” (Christopher Story (2001), “The New Underworld Order; Triumph of Criminalism; Dark Actors Playing Games; The Global Fantasies of he Geomasonic Illuminati”)

There have been many Jewish Popes over history. Christian author, lawyer, and State Dept. worker, Edward Hendrie (“Solving the Mystery of Babylon the Great” (2012) and “Antichrist: The Beast Revealed” (2015)) makes a compelling case that the Catholic Church has been a “cryto-Jewish” institution from its very beginning!).

A. So you are saying that at the top levels, it’s really the same team at the top of the pyramid.

S. Yes, let’s look at one item of their agenda. If you look at what some Jesuit priests are advocating, they are advocating for “liberation theology.” At the 1982 meeting in Sweden where the World Council of Churches said they were going to advocate for One-World Government/One-World Religion, they also said they would support liberation theology. The World Council of Churches gave $158,000 to North Vietnam during the Vietnam War, $740,000 to SWAPO (a communist guerrilla organization in Africa) and $362,000 to the ANC guerrillas in South Africa in the 1980’s. So the WCC started funding liberation theology guerrillas in Central America and Africa. These were the precursors to terrorist groups that we have today.

(ETK note: In his 1954 classic book, “Pawns in the Game,” former Canadian military officer, William Guy Carr, described and documented the history of the “World Revolutionary Movement” which he identified as Jewish).

A. What do you think their purpose was in funding these groups?

S. It’s interesting, that all three of these organizations, Jesuits and the Freemasons, and the WCC are all funding these guerrilla movements. It goes back to the Illuminati phrase “Ordo Ab Chao”- order out of chaos. By controlling conflict, the controllers can work an agenda. Thesis/antithesis/synthesis. For examples, out of WWI, a controlled conflict, the League of Nations emerged. Out of the controlled conflict of WWII came the United Nations. They had originally planned a WW III in the Middle East that would bring in World Government on a visible level. But they already have world government. We talked about how J.P. Morgan, an Illuminati, funded the FCCC. The FCCC was calling for a League of Nations before WWI. Then after WWI, they tried again to bring in the League of Nations.

Going back to the National Council of Churches and the World Council of Churches and how they integrate with the Illuminati… John Foster Dulles, whose brother Allen Dulles was prominent in the OSS and the CIA, was the Secretary of the FCCC and also very important in the NCC and the WCC. Thus, the CIA and the Illuminati were very active in these ecumenical organizations.

How does this affect us on the local level? Let’s say you have a small “Church of Christ” that tells us we are the only true believers, we believe you are saved by Baptism, we believe you shouldn’t listen to music, we shouldn’t believe in the Catholic Church, etc. Then when someone like Billy Graham comes here… Every church supports Billy Graham. And though the Billy Graham Crusade people told us ahead of time that they would not send people to the Catholic Church, they in fact did. The impact was that all local churches participated in Billy Graham’s crusades. That’s real ecumenism.

A. Yes, basically Billy Graham has stated that he considers both Roman Catholicism and the traditional Jewish faith as part of the body of Christ. Of course, Jews reject Christ. All this moves us away from the Scriptures, which is what joins us together. People compromise on the gospel of Jesus and the scriptures in order to participate in a broader Christian family. And it’s very beguiling. The Illuminists know that the greatest impediment to a one world government is fundamentalist Christians. So they are the number one target. So if they, the Illuminati, can get fundamentalist Christians to compromise on foundational Christian truths many Christians will be swept up in the ecumenical deception of linking hands with the Catholic Church for the harvesting of souls. What will happen is they will bring people (real Christians) into an apostate church. This is part of the deception that is coming. And this is happening in all of the mainline Protestant churches. A Masonic infiltration has been happening for years. The leadership of some Christian denominations are 70 to 80% Masons. I consider the Vatican/Roman Catholicism as rank apostasy, and it has been since its inception.

There is a large ecumenical call for the “harvesting of a billion souls” right now (on “God TV,” the upcoming successor of TBN). It’s very ecumenical. A lot of charismatic church leaders know that the Catholic Church does not believe in the basic tenants that caused the Reformation in the first place, which are sola scriptura (scripture alone), sola fide (faith alone) and sola gratia (grace alone). So a lot of these Protestant leaders will compromise these fundamental tenants in order to “harvest souls.” These kinds of deception, based on occultism from 19th century (theosophy and spiritism), infiltrated the church over a hundred years ago and really found a home in the charismatic movement.

S. The Illuminati train people. I spoke to one Illuminati-trained operative whose job was to go into the Protestant church and turn them to witchcraft. Protestants don’t understand witchcraft. Witchcraft can be broken up in two different ways- (good vs. bad and visible vs. hidden). These can make a box with four squares. In one box, “the magic” is benevolent and visible; an example would be a ouiji board. Malevolent and visible would be like a voodoo doll. But if you take hidden and good, that’s visualization, which is using will power and spiritual laws. So when Masons like Norman Vincent Peale come into the church and teach people to do visualization, this is actually teaching them witchcraft and magic. Hitler used this a lot. True Christian prayer is a prayer of supplication of faith. So they have infiltrated the churches with witchcraft and Masonic thoughts and theosophy.

What is apostasy? It is both not believing the important fundamental doctrines and it is not doing the important things. One essential doctrine is that Christ was born of the virgin. Why is this important? Because his true father is the Holy Spirit- this is what makes him special. His blood had to be so special that in shedding his blood, he paid the price for all humanity. All these Satanic Bible translations that the modern churches are using, have erased the virgin birth. So they have changed the fundamental doctrines. Another fundamental doctrine is the resurrection of Christ. This is the foundation of hope for us. Without this, our religion is lame. Jehovah’s Witnesses believe that God will remember who we were and recreate us. These differences are major. If we accept the WCC and their mission to bring all these religions together, and if there is another way to the Father other than Christ, then we make Christ out to be a liar when he says “I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life, and no man can come to the father but through me.”

A. Billy Graham has intimate friendships with Illuminati leaders, including various Presidents. How can he rub shoulders with Satanists? What relationship does light have with darkness? These are dangerous waters. I personally know an Illuminati operative who gave large checks to well-known Protestant preachers, including main-line TV evangelical leaders. He also laundered money for them, overseas. The Illuminati-defector, John Todd, talked about this.

S. I have proof of what you are talking about right here. I have a letter from Billy Graham praising Jean Dixon, the crystal-ball prophet, as a “woman of God.” In turn, I have a letter from Dixon, sending a check (Illuminati money) to Graham.

A. What are your thoughts about the infiltration of the Illuminati into the charismatic movement?

S. We need to understand what the scriptures say. It says in 2 Thessalonians that there will be a great apostasy before Christ comes back. In Matthew 24, Christ says there will be many false Christs. So we have to take the warning of scriptures; there will be a general apostasy. Spiritually, the safest place to be will be small home churches with dedicated followers of Christ. Lets look at the charismatic movement, which has been very ecumenical. Look at people like (preacher) Benny Hinn, of Trinity Broadcast Network; they are very pro-Catholic. In 1999, Hinn said you will not survive the year 2000 unless you double your giving. In 1989, he prophesied a huge earthquake that would wipe out the East coast. What kind of man is this making all these false prophecies?

Let’s look at some biography information about charismatic Rev. E.V. Hill in Tulsa, OK, at Oral Roberts University. This shows how it all connects. He has been active in and a board member of TBN, a board member of the Billy Graham Crusade, has spoken at the Crusade conferences, and a promise-keeper leader. He gave the invocation at Benny Hinn’s 25-year celebration. He worked with Jimmy Swaggart, Jim Baker, Rev. Lions (who was found guilty of racketeering), and with Rev. Jesse Jackson’s presidential campaign. He has been active with the charismatics and the ecumenical movement. Billionaire, Nelson Hunt, gave him a million dollar contribution to kick off the step program. So we are dealing with a big sloppy, gooey mess. Rev. Jackson was out of Union Theological Seminary in Chicago. If you look at that, you find that all kinds of Illuminati, Freemasons, and the Rockefellers are connected. Jimmy Swaggart connects in with Illuminati mind control. Billy Graham also connects in with the use of Illuminati mind control sex slaves. Oral Roberts University connect with the programming of Illuminati mind control slaves. Look at Pat Robertson’s 700 Club; his father was a Senator. Chuck Colson was the right hand man of Richard Nixon. They all connect in with power…. The word occult means hidden. There is a verse in the Bible to the effect that Satan appears as an “angel of light.” Likewise his ministers are able to appear as “angels of light.” They appear as very positive, good men.

What is the most popular occupation for men in the Illuminati? It is being a Christian minister. This is the best front. In the occult, you have the exoteric and the esoteric. The exoteric is the false front. Being a Christian minister is the best false front you can have. The esoteric is the hidden reality.

A. Can many of these individuals themselves have alters, fragmented personalities? And some of these alters in some of these people, would they be ignorant of the occultic side alters? So they are split personalities.

S. Very true. The best example is Billy Graham, who is a programmed multiple personality. Another example is David Hill, who was adopted by Mafioso Don, Joseph Bonanno. He had been a Freemason and Illuminatus, but on a drug trip in South America, he gave his life to Christ. Joseph Bonanno and Billy Graham were very close and Graham commonly came to visit Bonanno at Christmas. So Hill tried to warn Graham about the Satanic side. After three days of intensive conversation in which Hill tried to inform Graham about the Illuminati, Graham told Hill that he was a captive of the Illuminati and couldn’t leave it. One Christian minister in Oklahoma that I knew- who was a programmed multiple personality- knew essentially nothing about himself. He later learned there were Satanic sides to himself.

A. That clears up the question: How can these people be so duplicitous and double-minded? The answer is because they are split personalities; programmed multiple personalities. People need to understand this. Add in the Illuminati programming factor. So the very same individual can be involved in a Satanic sacrifice on a Saturday night and then be on the pulpit sincerely preaching a Christian service on Sunday.

S. Yes. Robert Schuler, the 33rd degree Freemason, for example. A witness at Unity Village mentioned that he had witnessed Schuler lead an Illuminati ritual. Commonly, Illuminati have lied to me. So here we have (Jew) Albert Pike, author of Morals and Dogma, admit that Freemasonry is Luciferian. Then you have all these great “Christian” Freemasons, Billy Graham, Norman Vincent Peale, Robert Schuler… What are they into? When you find out that your church leadership are Freemasons, that is nothing trivial. The head of the Southern Baptists was a 32nd degree Mason. Satanist Anton LeVey stated in “The Satanic Ritual”… “Masonic Orders have contained the most influential men in many governments and virtually every occult order has Masonic roots.”

A. Is it even possible for Christian ministers to rise to superstar status, especially televangelists, without the backing of the Illuminati?

S. No. Some denominations like the Methodists, which are very liberal… to become a minister, you have to go to their seminaries. If you are a sincere born-again Christian young person and you go to their seminary, they won’t want you for the big churches. The big churches will get the very liberal Illuminati-types (programmed) and the born-again ministers will go to the small churches out in the boonies. So there are some small Methodist churches that have actually had consistently good ministers.

A. There is a system that exists in all aspects of society: If you get to a certain level in the hierarchy, you enter into a level that has long been taken over by this shadowy group of elites. That pertains to Christianity too. When you see any Christian person who has high recommendations from worldly institutions, that’s a red flag because traditionally the world hates the gospel of Jesus Christ. The gospel is foolishness to all these organizations and high-up individuals. So when you see the Rockefellers funding certain ministries, that’s a red flag. Something is wrong. Illuminati infiltration into churches has hi-jacked whole movements and ministries. Little by little, incrementally, they begin to change the theology, and they bump certain people up the ranks. When you get launched into stardom in the Christian world, it is usually not the Holy Spirit that is doing that. It’s the worldly network. They can preach 98% truth, but the 2% lies infects the whole thing. That is the leaven.

S. The “leaven” you speak of can also be called a “cancer.” Some of these churches don’t give anything of substance to their flock. It’s like sending out a soldier into battle without any ammunition or guns. They are not giving people the training and answers they need to deal with the world.

A. Every single level of the Christian church has been heavily infiltrated by these forces. Their purpose is to harvest “tares” and mix them in with the wheat. If a little leaven is bad, a lot is worse. Likewise, cancer. When people begin to wake up to this infiltration, on every level, they realize it is everywhere and it is malignant, like cancer. That’s the reality. This has been going on since the 19th century- the strategic placement of Illuminati leaders in the seminary. Today, the collective body of Protestant churches has terminal cancer. How do you root it out at this point? The safest place to be today is in a small group of believers that are Bible-based. Recall, the early church had secret meetings. They called themselves “the people of the way.” They referred to the gospel, the burial, and the resurrection, as “the event.” They were behind close doors, meeting in secret at agape feasts. The emperors of Rome were jealous of these feasts. The Roman aristocracy had orgies. They thought these early Christian feasts were debauchery fests; they were wrong in that. Public faith was a later invention, popularized in Catholicism, when the state and church merged to become the Roman Catholic Church.

So today the prime objective of most pastors is to “grow their churches.” Not to prepare their flocks or to maintain the integrity of the gospel. Churches are functioning as corporations today. The slick music and competition is generally not there in these small fellowships. Some of the finest pastors are pastors of home churches. They are untouchable.

S. My “Be Wise as Serpents” and “Bloodlines of the Illuminati” touch on how the major Foundations are funding the larger churches.

A. The Luciferian infiltration of Protestant Churches has been going on for at least 100 years. It has been strategic and purposeful. Today we have a bastardized version of scripture. It is gradually breaking down the backbone of Christianity (Phase 1). The next stage of this is Phase 2, in which we develop a universal movement for the harvesting of souls, led by the Pope. This ecumenical movement is to amalgamate all denominations into the Catholic Church. Step 1 is infiltration and bastardizing of the gospel. Step 2 is ecumenism; amalgamating all the denominations, compromising the gospel and merging them with the Catholic church. Step 3 is inter-faith, the emergence of a universal faith that unites all religions- under Catholicism. This is to be the New World Religion. This One World Religion is the reinstitution of the primal, original religion- the worship of the Dragon, Satan. Helen Blavatsky and Manly P. Hall and modern theosophists and Masons all say this. This is the man-made Luciferian religion- the worship of the serpent, the Dragon. This is confirmed in the occult and secret societies. What does the Book of Revelations say? “And they worshipped the Dragon and gave power to the beast.” The open worship of Lucifer is the oldest religion in the world… and that’s where this is headed. People forget that part of the Luciferian plan is to bring this planet to such a state of darkness and chaos, hunger, etc., that people will clamor for peace and safety. The one who brings order to the planet, will be worshipped. So the architects of the collapse will bring in their savior- then they can reinstitute Luciferianism as the world religion.

(ETK note: In his book, “Bloody Zion” (2012), E. Hendrie clarifies why the Judaic/Masonic elite is using the Catholic Church to institute their Satanic world religion. He explains: “The Zionists know that they cannot rule the world from Jerusalem without it appearing to the world as gentile rule. That is where the Vatican comes in. It is a gentile front for a Judaic religion, which is completely under the control of Zionists interests. That fact, however, is not generally known. When the Vatican has served its purpose, the Zionists will destroy it. Destruction is the fate of all gentile fronts, once they are no longer needed; they are considered “useful idiots” by the Zionist Jews.”)

S. The Catholic Church is by far the largest of the churches. The schools are teaching the children that truth is relative. Likewise, in Freemasonry you can believe whatever you want. So this is the emerging church. (Theosophist) Alice Bailey says that they will replace the world religion with Masonic religion (the power of Lucifer). On the physical level, Lucifer will reign. On the spiritual level, Sanat (Satan) will rule.

A. People can’t comprehend the confrontation that is coming on planet earth. That is where all this is going forward: ecumenism, inter-faith movement, one-world government. There is a supernatural confrontation coming to this planet. The alliance is being built now. It is not an entirely a human alliance. It is being prepared to make war with God. As it says in Psalm 2: “The nations are raging. The people are plotting a vain thing against the Lord. The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take council together against the Lord and against his Anointed (Jesus). Let us break their bonds in pieces and cast away their cords from us. ” This is the conspiracy afoot that is announced in Psalm 2, v. 1-3. They worship Lucifer as the one who liberated humans and brought fire to men. They (kings) know God and Jesus exist. These people (Luciferians) choose to align themselves with Lucifer instead of God and Jesus. In Psalm 2, verse 4, God replies: “He who sits in the heavens shall laugh, the Lord shall hold them in derision. He shall speak to them in his wrath and distress them in his deep displeasure.” This is how the Lord looks down on the Illuminati/Luciferian faction that think they will enthrone the antichrist who will give all authority and power to his father, Lucifer.

Then God says: “Yet have I set my King on my holy hill of Zion (he’s talking about Jesus).” Then in verse 7: Jesus says: “I will declare the decree, the Lord has said to me, you are my Son, today I have begotten you. Ask of me, and I will give you the nations for your inheritance and the ends of the earth for your possession. You shall break them with the rod of iron, you shall dash them to pieces like a potters vessel. Now therefore be wise, oh kings. Be instructed you judges of the earth. Serve the Lord with fear and rejoice with trembling; kiss the Son, the Son of God, lest he be angry and you perish in the way, when his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are those who put their trust in him.” So Psalm 2 shows us this confrontation that is coming to the earth.

Fritz, what kinds of weapons do the Illuminati bring to the earth for their war against God. This is not a real threat to God. He holds them in derision. Nonetheless, woe to those pastors who align themselves with the Illuminati/the ruling elite in order to form the interfaith- new world religion. They’ll have Jesus, but they’ll deny the virgin birth and the resurrection of Jesus. (ETK: so it is a different, a false Jesus). This couldn’t be more serious. We’ve got to discern the plot of the ruling elite. It is a conspiracy that has been hatched in darkness and has been developed in the minds of fallen angels and has been in progress since Adam and Eve fell in the Garden. The devil himself and all the fallen angels and the non-human faction are governing the human faction.

S. You asked what weapons they use. Ever since the Garden they have used deception. That ties in with the archane, the esoteric, the occult. All three of these words mean “hidden.” They use deception. All these new Christian programs are these deceptions.

A. Fritz Springmeier, I appreciate you being willing to discuss this subject. Not many individuals have the courage to do that.

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